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NPD officers behavior unacceptable and reprehensible

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As elected officials and a candidate from the City of Norwalk, CT, we are shocked by the recent behaviors exhibited by some members of the Norwalk Police force following a meeting at the headquarters with Senate Majority Leader Bob Duff.

We teach our young children to respect law enforcement and to trust the women and men in blue who are sworn to “protect and serve” our residents. We also tell them that upholding and enforcing the law is their prime responsibility. Respecting diversity and differences of opinion during “civil” discourse is an inalienable right, not just a privilege.

Regardless of the number of officers involved, how far the spittle landed from Senator Duff’s feet, what political party you belong to, or whether you voted for him at all, he is a duly elected leader and any attempt to intimidate is unacceptable and reprehensible behavior.  This is true for anyone, including sworn police officers in uniform and on-duty.

We expect a swift and objective examination of the facts, followed by appropriate disciplinary actions for all involved.

Senate Majority Leader Bob Duff has devoted the last 18 years of his life to serving and protecting the quality of life for all Norwalk residents. Public service should be rewarded, not denigrated.

We take Chief Kulhawik at his word that he is conducting a full and thorough investigation of the incident. This is not simply about what we expect as Senate Majority Leader Bob Duff’s colleagues, but what the community at large expects – and deserves. Our entire community benefits when we hold every member of that community to the highest standard possible.
Lucy Dathan
Representative District 142
Chris Perone
Representative District 137
Travis Simms
Representative District 140
Stephanie Thomas
Democratic Candidate, Representative District 143

62 comments

Mitch Adis September 11, 2020 at 6:56 am

Travis Simms has a documented track record of unacceptable and reprehensible behavior. Associating with him ruins this groups credibility.

M Murray September 11, 2020 at 7:51 am

Didn’t have to wait to get to the bottom to figure out what party all the signatories would be. At least they are starting to backpedal away from the lie that he was spit at.

Elizabeth McDermott September 11, 2020 at 8:08 am

I cannot believe that all of these officials have jumped on the bandwagon to support Bob Duff when they were on there. Who knows what really happened. The chief of police has not made a statement at all to either support of deny the allegations and Duff keeps bringing up this point over and over again. What if it turns out to be a lie? Their credibility needs to be taken into consideration before forming an opinion on this whole matter.

John ONeill September 11, 2020 at 8:16 am

Couple of things:
Atleast we know where these politicians stand. Keep that in mind in November. It’s truly disgraceful and my hope is Norwalkers are not taken in by this con job. It also reinforces my thought that there is a puppeteer pulling the strings on this charade and it’s not Duff. Again, Norwalk is being used and NPD is paying the price.
On a positive note, we at least know that Chris Perone is no longer missing in action. Our rep from 137 was no where to be found during week long power outage (he’s on energy committee as an aside) I was afraid he was taken by space aliens never to be seen again.

john flynn September 11, 2020 at 8:25 am

Kulhawik allowed a 17-year multi-million dollar falsifed check fraud investigation fst-cv 14-5014296-s. Maloney committed perjury, Kulhawik said he did not care. Flynn supports only ethical Policeman and they are the silent majority. Norwalk does not support Flynn according to the meeting last night. Travis will defund. One Question. Do I want the endorsement if I gave a 45 minute casette to Deputy Chief Zecca of threats made by the Detective bureau? I have the tape. Travis looted the transportation Fund as co-Chair of Transportation? 1,239 cashed stoeln checks. 9 unanswered civilian complaints and FBI has my undivided attention. Look at AJ in Bridgeport. Investigations by IA (Hume and Ronsinski) are worthless . They edited the body cams in the choke hold case. Yes, Where is the EZRA tape? A 20 year grudge does not justify what was done. A vote for Flynn is a vote for honesty and iNtergety; clean it up. 5 officers support me. Those are the ones I would never defund. I don’t support the Duff bill due to the many flaws (Chief state’s attorney richard Colangelo). Absolute immunity is a bigger problem than Qualified immunity.

DrewT September 11, 2020 at 8:28 am

What a Joke! So you’re saying you stand by someone who has been caught in a down and out lie about what happened to him. You’re also standing behind someone and I’m sure you all think this way of someone that hates our own Norwalk Police. The voters of this City who love our Police Department are disgusted by his and frankly everyone of your actions supporting the war on cops and passing some of the most Anti Police Legislation ever. It wouldn’t surprise me if you all didn’t even know truthfully what was in the Bill. This is extremely shameful on you all! You don’t have the facts and probably never even bothered to investigate this (You’re all so concerned) yourselves, but just take the word of someone who is lying to you and the people of this great City. This act is shameful and will cost you all at the polls! This is NOT representation Norwalk needs. The residents will send a strong message come this November. You all should be typing your resumes!

James Kahmann September 11, 2020 at 8:36 am

The very idea of these ungrateful people- three of them on the state payroll- writing this diatribe on 9/11- shows how little they appreciate the unselfish work of our law enforcement agencies
According to former mayor Rudy Guliani, , the police saved more than 8,000 lives from the World Trade Center devastation 19 years ago.
The Norwalk police work very hard every day to protect the lives of people who exhibit little or no appreciation, The fact that these selfish folks would have the nerve to ignore this is beyond unconscionable .

Michael Foley September 11, 2020 at 8:38 am

“I spoke to Chief Kulhawik this morning,” Rilling said in a statement. “He is investigating to see which officers were involved in any inappropriate behavior. After this investigation, he will determine what discipline is appropriate. Based on my conversation, I am confident he will handle this situation appropriately.”

Peter Torrano September 11, 2020 at 8:53 am

I must have missed the letter all of you political opportunists wrote condemning the “civil” riots that destroyed family businesses, public buildings, burned vehicles and injured and murdered citizens. I’m sure that in that letter you excoriated the violent mobs that created all this upheaval and destruction of our cities and society. Of course you know I’m being facetious. You picked up on that I’m sure. I would never expect that any one of you would speak out against something as trivial in your minds as violent riots. But kudos to all of you for taking a stand against police officers who displayed their contempt for an elected servant of ours who sold them out to garner votes from, well, people like you. Your brave letter printed here can only raise your esteem among those, like you, who speak against free speech. Except, of course, in cases where politicians like Murphy announce that in his mind (a scary place, to be certain) President Trump intentionally kills people. No lack of respect that, was there? Just freedom of speech at its finest. Police officers are more than public servants. They are voting citizens, fathers, mothers, taxpayers and the same people who will rush to your aid, willingly, regardless of how personally contemptuous you may find them to be. Next time you need someone with the intestinal fortitude to put their lives on the line for you, call Bob Duff. Well it seems that once again I’m being facetious. I used intestinal fortitude and Bob Duff in the same sentence. Silly me.

Norwalker September 11, 2020 at 9:28 am

Hypocrites. I’ll respect their word when I see them take a similar stance towards the mistreatment and lack of respect by the Democrat party towards the President of the United States.

Drew A Blank September 11, 2020 at 9:49 am

This letter started out well … gave me hope. But then it sputters out badly. It would be of some importance to know who the cops are (ranking members? Patrolmen?), who is protecting them and what discipline do the authors think appropriate? Firings? Suspensions?

Mimi Chang September 11, 2020 at 10:41 am

Wow. What a way to pay respect to our Norwalk police officers (whom many of us believe, judging by the strong majority of posts, have not, and have yet to be proven to have, even remotely partaken in what Bob Duff is spinning for political gain…) on September 11th, an anniversary where we remember that 60 policemen paid the ultimate sacrifice for going into the Twin Towers and saving people just like you. I was in New York City that day, and I‘ll forever and gratefully hold in my heart the many heroic acts and gestures of kindness and selflessness I witnessed by first responders. Your timing with this group think letter is insensitive, tone deaf and completely self serving. Go ahead though, just pile right on the Bob Duff bandwagon and teach us all a lesson with your self righteous lecturing.

RIDICULOUS!!! September 11, 2020 at 11:26 am

It is a shame that only the 4 of you co-signed the letter. I am disgusted by the whole democratic party and will be changing to an independent.

educator September 11, 2020 at 11:28 am

How pathetic you people are. You belittle our president, call him names, and wont even give him the dignity of calling him President Trump just “the man in the White House” and yet you get together and lecture us on dignity and respect? I am not giving the officer a pass but Bob Duff and company are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to showing respect. Just take one look at Bob’s facebook page and see for yourself. Spare us for your righteous indignation and help the city come together.

M Murray September 11, 2020 at 11:32 am

I’m surprised Murphy and Blumenthal didn’t jump in to sign this letter.
As to the author’s statement, “ We expect a swift and objective examination of the facts, followed by appropriate disciplinary actions for all involved.
Senate Majority Leader Bob Duff has devoted the last 18 years of his life to serving and protecting the quality of life for all Norwalk residents. Public service should be rewarded, not denigrated.”……… Whether that was their intention or not, I don’t know, but it appeared to be another bullying and intimidation tactic.

Celeste September 11, 2020 at 12:00 pm

Look at some of these police officer salaries that the citizens of Norwalk’s hard earned money pay to our police officers! At the very least, citizens should expect a certain level of maturity and professionalism from officers we pay, and not to be spit on, at , or nearby! Police officers should be role models of behavior!

Norwalk Police Officer Russell Ouellette, $246,587.61

Norwalk Police Officer Javier Mogollon, $245,390.01

Norwalk Police Officer David Nieves, $242,592.72

Norwalk Police Lt. Praveen John, $234,385.38

Norwalk Police Officer George Daley, $233,385.38

Norwalk Police Officer Mark Suda, $229,567.12

Norwalk Police Officer Michael Dimeglio, $222,136.78

Norwalk Police Sgt. Joseph Moquin, $221,171.07

Norwalk Police Sgt. Gregg Scully, $220,695.91

Norwalk Police Officer Paul Wargo, $216,549.80

Norwalk Police Sgt. Kevin Markert, $212,830.28

Norwalk Police Lt. Thomas Mattera, $206,611.91

Norwalk Police Officer Louis Proto, $204,716.73

Norwalk Police Lt. William Lowe, $199,410.91

Norwalk Police Sgt. Peter White, $198,218.14

That “top 25” list features familiar names – Ouellette, Mogollon and Nieves have been at the top for years – and a few new ones, such as Giancaspro.

JOHN ROMANO September 11, 2020 at 1:47 pm

Celeste, it seems you are the only one who does not know that the high wage earners on the Police department are working 100 hours a week, part of the time on the city payroll at normal wages based on base pay, rank and length of service. Normal The bulk or majority of their pay is from construction or extra duty which comes from the hiring parties in the private sector.On top of that the city actually profits on their extra work. I believe the city gets a 15% fee on top of the extra duty pay. Overtime is guarded and rare except when there are marches or threats that the department is obligated to address under public safety. It would be nice before remarking that you had your facts straight.

John ONeill September 11, 2020 at 1:57 pm

@Celeleste: Hypothetical for you. You’re in a burning building and you have a cop outside on the corner talking to a politician. Who would you guess would be running into that burning building to save your life?
Please be honest and please respond as we anxiously await your answer.
Again, thank you to every police officer who runs towards those in need…The vast majority of Norwalkers appreciate you.

Ron Morris September 11, 2020 at 3:30 pm

M Murray
You state
At least they are starting to backpedal away from the lie that he was spit at.
I don’t see that it was a lie as the video has still not been release to the public.
If this was anyone other than a cop the video would have been release and the names would all be released.
M Murray You stated on another article that Harold Cobin viewed the video. That is correct however it did not clear the police from spitting at Duff. Corbin stated “He made a spitting gesture toward the ground I would characterize as indicating contempt or scorn. (Again, my characterization. I haven’t spoken to the officer and I’m not saying that’s what he intended.)” Not exactly a vindication. Once again of they have nothing to hide release the video or maybe they do have something to hide.

Ron Morris September 11, 2020 at 3:32 pm

JOHN ROMANO
Let me help educate you on how the police overtime works.Her is a copy of a post I made a few months back.

A few thing to keep in mind
Every penny of the extra work dollars is ultimately paid for by the taxpayer. When it comes to road work the contractor figures that cost in to the bid. When it come utility work it is figured into the rate increases.

Also not sure how many are aware but the cops working at the beach are being paid time and a half. Last week we had 5 at 65.00 per hour. Last year we had one person at the gate for 10 bucks per hour. You do the math.

A few year back the city wanted to change to flagmen but the common council bowed to the police union.

As for the 15 percent administrative fee that is not profit. That goes to pay for the 2nd fleet of cars that the city provides to the cops for the luxury of making 6 figures on the backs of the taxpayer. It also has to pay for the gas in the running car so the cop can sit in the A/C and play on his phone instead of outside the car directing traffic. Repairs, insurance are also costs for the 2nd fleet of cars.
It’s time that we do away with all overtime for the police. I am sick of hearing the same lies year after year that it’s cheaper to run overtime than hire more cops. The other lie that dirt jobs are not paid by the taxpayer, as you see I disproved that above.

This needs to be made an issue when the Mayor is up for reelection. Any candidate that does not agree to do away with overtime must not be elected.
I know of no other job where the required education is a GED and you make 6 figures.

Ron Morris September 11, 2020 at 3:49 pm

JOHN ROMANO
A few thing that you forgot to mention about the police overtime.
Every penny of the extra work dollars is ultimately paid for by the taxpayer. When it comes to road work the contractor figures that cost in to the bid. When it come utility work it is figured into the rate increases.

As for the 15 percent administrative fee that is not profit. That goes to pay for the 2nd fleet of cars that the city provides to the cops for the luxury of making 6 figures on the backs of the taxpayer. It also has to pay for the gas in the running car so the cop can sit in the A/C and play on his phone instead of outside the car directing traffic. Repairs, insurance are also costs for the 2nd fleet of cars.

Also overtime from the city is far from a rare.

Russell Oullette, $246,587.81
Extra work $118,190.55
Overtime $45,176.99
Regular $83,220.07

Javier Mogollon $245,390.91
Extra work $74,495.12
Overtime $87,366.90
Regular $83,528.89

David Nieves $242,592.73
Extra work $117,655.34
Overtime $41,433.93
Regular $83,503.46

Lt. Praveen John $234,385.38
Extra work $93,833.04
Overtime $31,530.54
Regular $109,021.80
George Daley $233,950.70
Extra work $97,973.70
Overtime $52,778.31
Regular $83,198.69

Mark Suda $229,567.12
Extra work $116,907.77
Overtime $29,469.18
Regular $83,190.17

Michael DiMeglio $222,136.78
Extra work $66,515.63
Overtime $71,904.56
Regular $83,716.59

Sgt. Joseph Moquin $221,171.07
Extra work $58,108.61
Overtime $64,066.39
Regular $98,996.07 8/11

See NON article from 8/11
https://www.nancyonnorwalk.com/a-look-at-norwalk-police-overtime-statistics/#comments

Celeste September 11, 2020 at 4:35 pm

John and John,
Exactly what do you disagree with in my post? Pretty straightforward facts. Do you agree or disagree that police officers should be mature and respectful? Do you agree or disagree that police offers should be role models?
Do you agree or disagree that the salaries are verifiable?
Perhaps working 100 hours a week makes the day job, the job that I would hope gets clearheaded focus, more stressful…

Dog owner September 11, 2020 at 4:38 pm

Has anyone of these democrats above come out and condemned the violence by BLM rioters who are destroying the lives and businesses of innocent people in liberal cities across the USA?
I guess looting, harassing, lighting buildings and autos on fire, etc. is acceptable with them, but a few police officers telling the useless Duff what they think of him is okay?
All you far left wingers and members of the cancel culture—I want to thank you ahead of time for helping President Trump get re-elected. This is certainly not your parents’ moderate Democratic Party of a generation ago.

JustaTaxpayer September 11, 2020 at 4:56 pm

The biggest scam out there is the overtime paid for a cop watching someone dig a ditch. I support the police but it’s such a gravy train. Is overseeing ditch digging a law across this country?

John O'Neill September 11, 2020 at 6:33 pm

@Celeste: Don’t blame the cops for what they make. It’s a contract that’s negotiated between two parties. (Police and City Reps) If the city thinks they’re worth that why would they disagree and not take it. As far as role models ? I defer back to my original question to you. Would you expect a police officer to run into a burning building or that politician? Will not drink my first Budweiser tonight until I get your response. There’s only 52 Friday nights a year, so your quick response would be appreciated.

Bryan Meek September 11, 2020 at 6:39 pm

I’m sure it’s just a pure coincidence that this letter furthering the war on police came out right after their opponents were endorsed by the Union. Fortunately we have a choice this fall to elect leaders who will pass responsible legislation instead of the knee-jerk virtue signaling laws that make us all less safe.

Ron Morris September 11, 2020 at 7:41 pm

This all the more proves that we need Duff and the Democratic slate as it seems clear that the Republicans will cover for police wrong doings.

Celeste September 11, 2020 at 8:48 pm

Dear John #2 (O’Neill). Go ahead and have you Bud! It’s Friday! It’s a pandemic! In answer to your question, I choose Door#3. I want a really well-rested, strong and skilled Fireman/Firewoman to rescue me from that burning building. More points if he looks like Paul Newman or Chris Evans! I do not begrudge anyone who truly serves one’s community fair or even better compensation. I was a New York City worker for over 25 years. I do think that maturity and professionalism should be understood as basic character-like trait requirements for anyone who serves the public. And I stand by my statement that they should be role models. Do you agree or disagree with these statements? I’d love to hear your thoughts.
Have a great night!
Celeste

M Murray September 11, 2020 at 8:51 pm

Keep thinking Ron. Democrat Legislator. Democrat Mayor won’t let the video be released….. who is up for re-election???? Who would be hurt if video shows he was not spit at like he claimed, but was only an insult gesture toward the ground?? Exaggerated claims just before an election?? Come on Ron…. do the math…. now tell me why the DEMOCRAT Mayor won’t allow a video to be released that will discredit a DEMOCRAT Senator two months before an election?? To protect an officer? Or to protect a fellow DEMOCRAT running for office who has higher political aspirations.? Take your time.

Patrizia Zucaro September 11, 2020 at 10:20 pm

My intention in posting is not to comment on the July 24th incident because I have no knowledge of what occurred. My concern is the very unfortunate timing of the publication of this letter and the lack of consideration and respect for first responders that it reflects.

I recognize that it was probably not written today; however, even if it was written earlier this week, this is the week of September 11, the 19th anniversary of the day when nearly 3,000 people were killed in the World Trade Center massacre.

On 9/11/2001 I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing on that terrifying morning. While I was nowhere near ground zero, Police Officers in New York City, and here locally, rushed to help and protect us from injury and death. If there was ever one day of the year when we should be honoring the police, it’s 9/11, a day when police officers sacrificed their lives to save others.

9/11 is still a day of solidarity and we should support our first responders on this day. Since its founding in 1856, the brave women and men of the Norwalk Police Department have served the community with distinction, risking their lives to protect us from those who would harm us. The department has a record of which we can be proud; certainly not one to be denigrated on 9/11.

Randi September 11, 2020 at 11:14 pm

It reads to me as if they are covering all their bases saying it doesn’t matter how many officers were there ( because there wasn’t as many as Duff is claiming) and it doesn’t matter how far away the spit landed from Duff ( because he wasn’t spit at ) . It’s a feeble attempt to back peddle now because Duff knows what the video is going to show . Honestly he told his story enough to every newspaper and internet site he could get to listen and now all the sudden the facts don’t matter the NPD is automatically wrong before the video is viewed . If you can’t see through this BS then Ct is in worse shape then we originally thought .

Ron Morris September 12, 2020 at 12:12 am

Patrizia Zucaro
If you really feel that the Norwalk police department has a record of which we can be proud you may want to try a google search.
In as much as 911 19 years ago was a horrid day that doesn’t mean that the world stops 19 years later. Please stop comparing the fire and police that responded 19 years ago to the NPD of today. I just see that as a lame attempt at spin.
If the NPD were as you describe they would have no issue with this legislation as it will only effect the bad apples.

John ONeill September 12, 2020 at 12:31 am

@Celeste- TREMENDOUS response. I think we proved today that two Americans can still start from different standpoints and find common ground!! What a novel experience…Let’s pass it on.
In that vein, Notre Dame kicks off their season tomorrow at 2:30. I will be watching the game with both left leaning Dems and Right leaning GOPs. We all have two things in common for 3 hours tomorrow. We love Notre Dame and we hate Duke. I hope that doesn’t offend anyone.

CT-Patriot September 12, 2020 at 5:40 am

Let’s ask this question.

How many times did Duff show his face to Norwalk Police PRIOR to supporting and passing this bill? I’ll wait..

Typical of all the Democrats all speaking out on an event in which Duff shows AFTER it becomes law and meet.

What the police did was a clear showing of the disdain they have with Duff by showing the respect he failed by ignoring them until it was too late.

Next time your in Norwalk and in an accident or physical altercation, will the police officers step in without fear of retribution by you? Should they risk themselves for this?

What should have happened is a bipartisan meeting and open discussion with police and their union.

Notice, not one Republican in this article is coming to the aid of Duff?

Why is that?

Maybe it’s another grand standing photo,media op for Duff instead of hashing things out by both parties and police.

Typical Democrats….cry foul when they are the issue. Bob, your Saul Alinsky tactics is showing..

Jo September 12, 2020 at 8:20 am

Oh, dear, State Reps. Lucy Dathan (D-142), Chris Perone (D-137) and Travis Simms (D-140), and District 143 State Rep. candidate Stephanie Thomas (D). This bandwagon is pushing this Democrat even closer to the middle. I would not want to associate myself with Duff this election season. His politics are nasty – which I’m happy to share with friends who are mildly curious about but uninvolved with local politics. He’s done a nice job of getting our city in the spotlight – all negative – entirely in quest of his own political gain. It’s embarrassing, and perhaps the reason that the only Duff lawn signs I have seen during this season o’ lawn signs have been on the entrance to his dad’s street. (No exaggeration.)

Celeste September 12, 2020 at 11:25 am

Hi Steve,

I’m not a big fan of the pizza that bears my name, but I would love to hear what you find “half-baked” in my response.

Do you agree or disagree that we, the taxpayers, do a nice job in compensating the police who serve our community?

Do you agree or disagree that we, the taxpayers,should be treated with maturity and professionalism by the police we pay to serve us?

Do you agree or disagree that police officers should be role models in our community?

I look forward to hearing your thoughts!

Celeste

Mike Lyons September 12, 2020 at 11:27 am

Nancy’s own review of the tapes already confirms that several of Duff’s statements were outright lies. And he had over a month to plan this little PR blitz. Poor planning, Bob. It’s reminiscent of his “Fix it First” fiasco regarding construction of new schools in Norwalk. He held a big press conference announcing that we were building new schools while doing nothing to repair existing schools, and claimed that we should fix those schools first. The problem was that Bob had not bothered to read the actual schools plan, which already included $50 million for repairs to existing schools; he just rushed his “plan“ out into public without study, figuring that he would get away with it (as he so often does). It should be interesting to watch the spin efforts when the tapes prove how little truth there is to Duff’s statements.

Celeste September 12, 2020 at 12:37 pm

Hi John ONeill,

I appreciate your post above and agree with these following words of yours:

“I think we proved today that two Americans can still start from different standpoints and find common ground!! What a novel experience…Let’s pass it on.”

This is civility. I appreciate that you and I can agree or disagree while maintaining such a civil tone. After all, we are both members, first and foremost, of the human community.

Isn’t this topic of civility wthe topic of the article that sparked this discussion thread in the first place?

We don’t have to agree on every fine detail of every point. But,

Can we agree that citizens deserve maturity and professionalism from their community police force?

Can we agree that police in our community should be role models?

Can we agree that our police force is nicely compensated by us, the taxpayers, and that the two points above are reasonable expectations of the community they are invited to serve?

John, enjoy the game tomorrow!

Play like a champion today!

John Miller September 12, 2020 at 12:56 pm

Ron: Would you have the courage to answer a domestic disturbance call and knock on a door not knowing what was waiting for you on the other side? I think not.

Curious Voter September 12, 2020 at 1:53 pm

No need to be a genius here. Read between the lines here folks, take a moment to read and comprehend some of these deflecting divisive posts. Many have absolutely nothing to do with the incident. In my opinion, what we have here is those that support a racist president and those that don’t, simple. I personally support police, it’s a tough sometimes thankless job. Yes there are good cops and bad cops, this is about accountability for the bad cops, not defunding or anything else. Why is that a bad thing? It’s a bad thing if you’re a racist! Btw, if you aren’t racist don’t support one, unless of course you are too. That would easily clear things up for a decent caring human being with integrity, common sense and a brain. No one except a racist or a dumbass would think that Blacks or people of color are coming for the suburbs! Would that be taking over Rowayton (sorry forgot they’re South Norwalk). What the hell!! Best thing this president has done for us is to bring the racists out of hiding so now we know who they are. A real GOTCHA moment, thanks trump! It’s fools folly to support a racist in America, when he’s gone people are never going to forget what you’ve said out loud.

CT-Patriot September 12, 2020 at 10:12 pm

Here we go again with “racist president” once again.

If Herschel Walker (who has known Donald Trump for 37 years) comes out to defend the President on these frivolous and ludicrous statements that President Trump is a racist, then he’s got to be the worst racist in history.

Best thing President Trump has done is have the lowest unemployment for black Americans in history, finance black colleges, prison reform, continue with creating jobs, American independence of foreign oil, move embassy to Jerusalem, Israel/UAE/Bahrain peace deals, controlling Covid, warp speed of vaccines, and I could go on but some people just don’t get it. President Trump has done more good in the first term than any other president in history. Promises made, promises kept.

Go look at Democrats agenda, 110 page manifesto of socialism. I think you really don’t want socialism but voting Democrat will give you just that.

Just remember, Republicans are all about freedom, liberty and choices, your choices not someone else’s to control you.

Next time you claim “racist” back it up with some facts….but you won’t because there are none that prove President Trump as a racist.

Maybe tone down the TDS “orange man bad” that the media spews 24/7.

Steve Mann September 13, 2020 at 11:39 am

Hi Celeste,

Okay, so I lied! I’ve never actually had a Celeste pizza. Being from Brooklyn I took an oath long ago that my pizza would never need to be thawed before eating.

The gist of my comment is two-fold:
First, you’ve asked some questions to which the answers should be obvious. Of course, police should be professional, and serve as role models. But this isn’t Mayberry and these days we see all too often behavior by “taxpayers” that is anything but “mature”. Cops are trained to handle a variety of circumstances, and some of those warrant use of force to subdue a perpetrator. That has nothing to do with white supremacy, being heavy-handed, and disrespectful.

Are there some NPD personnel that earn envious pay? Sure, but again, these are not people who put in a normal forty-hour week, and the pay packages you outlined were not the norm, but the exceptions.

I sincerely mean it when I say that in my thirty-five years in Norwalk, I have never, not once, been subject to, or have witnessed any NPD officer behaving in anything but a professional, courteous and respectful manner. Those who have more than likely brought it on themselves.

Second, and more pertinent to the matter, you might want to take a closer look at the issue that was the catalyst in this case. Senator Duff, in adherence to party lines, and social narrative, and without regard for the safety and well-being for these who serve and protect, chose to join in support of a bill that greatly compromises the ability of police officers to effectively perform their duties. He himself said that “most” police officers are hard-working people doing the right thing, but that this had to be done to call out those who don’t. That is a ridiculous way to govern. Period.

The bill empowers some of the public to file complaints with their only goal being to make a few bucks in settlement. And now, we see this letter of support from AWOL Chris Perone, a freshman state rep, and a Congressman who’s spent the last four years parroting his House Speaker, and nothing more.

Worse, it may deter some highly qualified people from pursuing a career in law enforcement. In the litigious society of today, it’s unreasonable to expect anything but a flood of suits and complaints by citizens against officers for even the smallest of subjective issues.
So, you decide what’s right.

But wait, let’s actually see what really happened. If and when the video is available, you can take a better-informed view. Until then, I for one am not swayed by Bob Duff’s perceived fears, and righteous indignation. For him to have expected anything but confrontation when he chose to walk into the station is laughable. His being befuddled by his treatment, the Capital police at his home, and all this “oh poor me” stuff plays well to some in an election year.

Your friend,
Steve

John Miller September 13, 2020 at 1:50 pm

CT-Patriot: Folks like Curious Voter and others always default to identity politics, the race card, and the customary prefabricated, mind numbing and ignorant party line rhetoric. Don’t expect an original, intelligent thought any time soon; you’ll be disappointed.

Celeste September 13, 2020 at 4:33 pm

Good afternoon, CT-Patriot!

Can we agree that citizens deserve maturity and professionalism from their community police force?

Can we agree that police in our community should be role models?

Can we agree that our police force is nicely compensated by us, the taxpayers, and that the two points above are reasonable expectations of the community they are invited to serve?

Curious Voter September 13, 2020 at 7:09 pm

@ct patriot, you’re kidding right? Delusional gaslighting at it’s worst. trump is a racist, period. I understand some not wanting him to be racist so they can say they’re not while supporting him. Just own it. It’s the “he’s known a black person for years so he’s not racist” bs. I think even saying that is racist. I guess his buddy Herschel never tried renting an apartment from trump while poor huh? You’ve got to be kidding, the ignorance here is astounding! Clearly some just can’t escape politics and outright lies. Sad. Why can’t we all just be truth seeking, decent, and caring human beings?

Bryan Meek September 13, 2020 at 8:06 pm

The war on police, overplaying the race card, and the distaste for it is going to return some portions of sanity to many state houses across the country and hopefully ours too. I for one am glad that Duff has jumped the shark here.

Duff, like the 12 year old picture on his lawn signs, lives in the past. Overgrown government and regulation has failed Connecticut like few other states as we continue to circle the drain on almost every measure of economic success, while others grow and thrive. Demand for real estate due to pandemic dislocation doesn’t help unless you move and take your proceeds elsewhere. Conveyance taxes are not going to fund the massive shortfalls in revenues nor the massive tax hikes that will be needed to feed the beast that Duff has created. It’s fixable, but like it has been will only get worse if he gets to embark on his 3rd decade of destroying this state.

John Miller September 13, 2020 at 9:19 pm

@curious Voter: Did you read what you wrote in your 7:09 comment from a DNC supplied telepromptor? It’s always the same old race bating made famous by “Twana” Sharpton and the other captains of the racism industry who make a living doing what you are doing and which, at its very core, is inherently racist and promotes racism.

Celeste September 13, 2020 at 10:56 pm

Hi Steve–
I definitely agree with you about frozen pizza. I’m somewhat of a pizza snob. lol.

If you read my posts, you will see I did not speak on many of the important issues you raised to me in your post. I have focused mainly on the Bob Duff/NPD July incident and what the community whose taxes pay police salaries should expect as a standard for police behavior.

On the one hand you write:

“First, you’ve asked some questions to which the answers should be obvious. Of course, police should be professional, and serve as role models. ”

But then you write:

“For him to have expected anything but confrontation when he chose to walk into the station is laughable.”

Really?
Shouldn’t ANY citizen, any person, who peacefully walks into a police precinct expect mature, professional treatment, despite whether or not employees of that precinct like his or her thinking or policies? It’s just civil behavior. And it’s a public police precinct for goodness sake! I worked as a public servant for nearly thirty years. Do you think it is acceptable to harass or intimidate a member of the public with whom one disagrees? I didn’t agree with alot of policymakers on certain issues but the thought of spitting near, cursing at, intimidating or harassing a peaceful citizen is unbecoming of the profession and simply unacceptable.

You also write:

“But wait, let’s actually see what really happened. If and when the video is available, you can take a better-informed view.”

I agree with you as long as All the video is shown. But, will we see ALL the video? I hope so. I don’t see why not. The pertinent video, with claims of police spitting, cussing, surrounding Duff in an intimidating manner inside and then a mob following him outside to his car seems like it took place in public areas in our public precinct, so why would that be a security issue? I hope NPD releases ALL the video from ALL the cameras of this public precinct since this has caused such a community uproar.

The part that might not be available, though, is any video of someone driving by Senator Duff’s home at 6:20 in the morning and 3 in the afternoon, yelling expletives out the window toward his home. That’s harassment no matter who is doing it and I’m sure this is being addressed very seriously by NPD law enforcement. His family lives there. I would imagine NPD is vigorously trying to find this guy/gal so that the perpetrator receives consequences, and so that any connection between NPD and this thug can be ruled out. I think any citizen that feels that kind of harassment or intimidation should report it and we should all be outraged by such uncivil behavior.

Supporting our community’s public servants, by the way, does not mean a community should not speak up when something seems out of alignment. Aren’t all public servants accountable to the public they serve? Shouldn’t all public servants behave in a way that is mature, professional and a model to the community that has selected them to serve?

Have a great day, and remember just say NO to frozen pizza!

CT-Patriot September 14, 2020 at 1:12 am

@John Miller

I believe you hit the nail on the head.

As it didn’t take long for the typical prefabricated race card once again on old hearsay to rear its head. Now, beware informing someone else who’s a friend but has more melatonin than the other and be called racist too. Good Lord. The TDS is strong….

@Celeste yes on all points. Most of us (dating myself) grew up watching all about how great police officers are. Parents always were firm in instilling to us on police are here to help.

With that said, we also must agree that those who represent us in government also look to discuss hot issues face to face and sometimes, frankly if there will be a law passed that affects ones livelihood or safety.

Putting someone who wears a badge and has authority in limiting rights to general citizens at risk for some possible misunderstandings and now can be brought up on some level of litigation?

Connecticut is number one in the country for litigations. We are a sue-happy state.

But passing Bill’s and laws that may put police at higher risk or the citizen at risk for the fear of an officer who does not want to intervene for risk of retaliation? That’s not the way to handle the situation.

Celeste September 14, 2020 at 11:08 am

Good morning, CT-Patriot!
This whole discussion thread began in response to an article about the treatment of a fellow citizen by the NPD. You raise important issues, but I am sticking to the issue of how police interact with citizens. In this particular case, a citizen walked into our public police department building, and POLICE behavior put police behavior in the spotlight. I expect those that I, amongst all taxpayers, support to serve my community to behave with maturity, professionalism and to model this behavior to the community. This is the behavior I expect of all public servants. For example, I expect our teachers to behave with maturity and professionalism and serve as role models. Imagine if your child’s teacher behaved in a thuggish way in front of your child when that teacher saw someone in the school building who had supported a policy that the teacher opposed –spitting, cursing, intimidating, harassing in a public building– ? Unacceptable. No excuses. As my mother would say, “If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.”
While I wholeheartedly support good treatment and compensation for all our public servants and appreciate their positive contributions, I also expect them to operate with civility. Each public servant– police, teachers, etc.–is accountable to the community where they have been invited to serve.

Steve Mann September 14, 2020 at 4:48 pm

Hi Celeste,

Let me just say this: Respect is not given, it’s earned. Bob Duff has a long history of respecting the folks at the NPD. When he reversed course, I’m confident that he was the first one to anticipate the response he got. As for the spitter, that act is vile, dangerous and childish, no matter who does it. So I’m not condoning that at all.

I hope you’ll agree that both the support and passage of the Bill, and the cries of woe, two months after the incident, are politically motivated. Complaints that “it looked as though…..”, “it appeared that……..” and “the message was ‘vividly’ clear”, are all conjecture on his part. The only thing he’s got a legit gripe about was the expectoration. And that doesn’t even come close to rising to the level of a threat.

Do I know for sure, no, but if Bob had sights set on higher office, being a good party guy is going to pay dividends. Just a guess, but then again, Dick Blumenthal, and Jim Himes aren’t going to want to work forever.

May your crust be firm, and your toppings always dazzle!

Curious Voter September 14, 2020 at 5:46 pm

Race card? Sadly the ignorance never stops, racists use the term “race card” every time. It’s their go to when they don’t want to have a real conversation on race in America. Or in this case I believe, really don’t think they’re racist while fully supporting a racist. IT DOESN’T WORK THAT WAY!! A couple of thoughts here in response to a racists supporters. No lies, gaslighting, deflection, projecting, alternative facts, misinformation or teleprompter needed. A quote from Thomas Paine. “To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture.” Instead of man I prefer person in the quote. I’ll add to it by saying, you can’t fix stupid and common sense hasn’t been so common the last 4 years (or is it 15 years it seems longer!). Sad but at least now we know we have more racists in our community than we could’ve known 4 long years ago. Thanks trump.

Celeste September 14, 2020 at 6:01 pm

Steve,
I agree with you on the point that respect is earned. The image of police spitting, cursing, intimidating and harassing someone in our community certainly doesn’t engender respect. Maturity, professionalism and the desire to be a positive role model should be baseline requirements to get the job and keep the job. Our community deserves no less than that.

CT-Patriot September 14, 2020 at 11:57 pm

Curious Voter

Darn those “pesty” facts…..they just never fit the narrative….enjoy.👍

There’s PLENTY of evidence that our President is NOT a racist. A few awards he earned before he became president include the following:

In 1976: Humanitarian Award by the National Jewish Health; in 1983, Tree of Life Award by the Jewish National Fund; in 1986, the Ellis Island Award was given to President Trump, Rosa Parks and Muhammad Ali. (Editor’s note: Trump was given the Ellis Island Award for his work as a successful developer and his German heritage, according to the AP News.)

A 1998 video of the Rev. Jesse Jackson lauded Trump as a friend to minorities and underserved communities. Jackson expressed appreciation for Trump’s support of the Rainbow Push Coalition’s initiative called the Wall Street Project, which aimed to help minority-owned businesses. You can still find the clip on YouTube using the specific title, “Jesse Jackson praises and thanks Donald Trump for a lifetime of service to African Americans.”

See the 2018 YouTube clip titled “Alveda King: Outrageous to call Trump ‘racist’.”

Back to Trump’s undeniable awards: In 1995 he was awarded President’s Medal by the Freedom Foundation (Washington) for his support of youth programs; in 2007 Muhammad Ali Entrepreneur Award; in 2008 he was awarded the Unicorn Children’s Foundation Shining Star Award and in 2011, the Presidential Hero Award by the Lois Pope Life Foundation; and in 2015, The Algemeiner Liberty Award for contributions to Israel-United States relations.

Need any more convincing? See the interview on YouTube of two black ladies, Diamond & Silk, titled “Diamond & Silk: Trump is not a racist; he’s a realist.”

People of color like Alveda King, Diamond & Silk, Latinos for Trump and other minorities see NO evidence of racism in our president.

Please turn down the level 6 TDS.

Your Saul Alinsky is really starting to show.

Curious Voter September 15, 2020 at 10:02 pm

@ct patriot
Last response here I’m done trying to help you (refer to the previous Thomas Paine quote). This isn’t about politics, it’s about ALL of us being decent caring humans, living on the same planet.
We can do this all day, you say he’s not racist I (someone with common sense) says he is. Words and actions over a lifetime decides it. Fair enough? It appears there’s way more documented racist bs he’s said and done (remember, words and actions matter) to factually prove he is racist. All that stuff you mention, I already knew about, is nice but it doesn’t mean he’s not racist. That’s a racists thought pattern, look what I did here (for people of color) but don’t look at any of the other s… I did at the same time. IT DOESN’T WORK THAT WAY! You didn’t seem to be looking very hard to find ALL of those oh so important facts. It seems you’re looking at sources and events that agree with your personal views of the guy. Not looking at anything that disagrees with your personal views of the guy. Human nature and Tribalism I get it. On the other hand, I would not call him racist, if he wasn’t racist. I’m not made up that way and of course there’s no reason to lie, right?
I’m not mad about it, people have a right to support who they like, it’s America. Just own he’s a racist. Really, he is a racist, I’m not making it up I promise. Stop trying to defend him, own it. Let me try to help you a bit, check it out for yourself below. This might just do it for you to come around. You’re welcome!

trumps racism: A oral history https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/

Decades old housing discrimination case plaques donald trump
https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/495955920/donald

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